Showing posts with label Ms. Marvel. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Ms. Marvel. Show all posts

Thursday, September 7, 2017

Comics recommendations

So a few blogs ago, I wrote about how to get into comics. Tips, strategies, etc. Now I’m writing about the comics I suggest whenever people ask me about what series to start with. I try to be genre and publisher diverse, though the only thing from DC I recommend is Bombshells but it's not on this list. It's good but it's not the first thing I recommend Anyways, my recommendations are:

- Bitch Planet

- Giant Days

- Monstress

- Ms. Marvel

- ODY-C

Now go read them.
























Just kidding! So all of these are currently ongoing series. This means that they will have new issues coming out. You will have to wait longest for ODY-C because it is currently on hiatus and Matt Fraction has promised us 12 more issues. Why exactly twelve? Well I’ll tell you in a second, or an hour, or you can skip down to the ODY-C segment at the end. I chose ongoing-series in case anyone out there is interested in starting a pull list. Because these are established series, I recommend grabbing the first trades and then picking up floppies after that.

Also, all of these should be available at your local library or local comic book shop as they are not obscure titles. I picked rather widely published books, aka from the major comics publishers, because of that accessibility and, depending on your familiarity with comics, it can be hard to decide what in the “indie” world, Kickstarters or zines, interests you. If you already know, great! I also chose to exclude webcomics because in many cases people are already familiar with the medium because of memes, xkcd, and Penny Arcade. This means that when people ask me for comics recommendations they mean stuff from the floppies -> trade paperback pipeline.

The above are not meant to be read as a “best to less best” list. Each of the titles rotates to bottom of my reading list, for savoring until the end. These are also all things I currently read and collect (except for Monstress on which I am behind and my partner Mychal called dibs on for collecting but I recommend regardless).

Bitch Planet

writer: Kelly Sue DeConnick | artists: Valentine De Landro and Robert Wilson IV | colorist: Kelly Fitzpatrick | letterer: Clayton Cowles | logo and cover designer: Rian Hughes | editor: Lauren Sankovitch | backmatter and design consultant: Laurenn McCubbin | stylist and research assistant: Dani V

Synopsis: Non-compliant women are arrested and sent to a prison planet. What makes you non-compliant? Basically anything a man takes offense with.

Why do I love this book recommend it: Now more than ever we need books like this. Science fiction like Bitch Planet regularly exposes and critiques the faults in our society allowing us to discuss them in a safe space. Additionally, the creators do an extremely thorough job with their research, taking the time to bring all sorts of intersectional feminist issues to bear in technicolor. This is not a book we want, its one we need.

Giant Days

writers: John Allison | illustrators: Lissa Treiman and Max Sarin | colorist: Whitney Cogar | letterer: Jim Campbell

Synopsis: Three first year university students become fast friends.

Why do I love this book recommend it: Its funny and exceptionally down to earth. The characters are people you know. You might not have been friends with them but you know them. It’s not gritty but doesn’t flippantly deal with serious issues. One of the character is training to be an archaeologists too, which doesn’t hurt. I also occasionally forget that it’s set in the UK because the situations have so much applicability to anyone attending university.

Monstress

writer: Marjorie M. Liu | artist: Sana Takeda | lettering and design: Rus Wooton | editor: Jennifer M. Smith | editorial assistant: Ceri Riley

Synopsis: This high fantasy world where an ongoing tension between two kingdoms threatens their world.

Why do I love this book recommend it: Mychal first saw this so got dibs on collecting the individual issues but honestly it’s just an amazing work. There is a great discussion of the issue and variation of being mixed-race, though in fantasy rather than in reality. The art is fantastic and creates a fully immersive world that draws from Asian fantasy genres and designs that people familiar with Manga will find familiar but rests more easily on a balance between a blend of Asian and European aesthetics.

Ms. Marvel

writer: G. Willow Wilson | editor: Sana Amanat | artists: Adrian Alphona, Sara Pichelli, Jacob Wyatt, Takeshi Miyazawa

Synopsis: Comics superfan gets what they’ve always wanted: superpowers. Now what do you with those in Jersey City?

Why do I love this book recommend it: It’s got enough interactions with other superheroes to make their well developed appearances meaningful and has avoided since it started most crossovers. Its full of great references and heartfelt discussions about relationships and identity. It got all the superhero punching you could want and new villains that fit with our modern world and modern problems balanced expertly with genuine interpersonal moments that keep you coming back.

ODY-C

writer: Matt Fraction | artist: Christian Ward |

Synopsis: It’s the Grecian epic The Odyssey but in space and also, Zeus burned all men in existence to death and created Sebex so that women could procreate sans the dudebros.

Why do I love this book recommend it: I love this comic so much I wear the first cover as tights. And well, I recommend it because it’s freaking awesome. Every issue is a psychedelic Grecian inspired righting of a historical wrong and it’s written in hexameter and Limerick as an ode original Homeric presentation styles. It’s a dense worthwhile book and is really the only version of the ODY-C I want to recommend to people, as it has keeps the core of the story without being horrible to women. There will be 12 more issues to round out the cycle following the chapters in the Homeric form. Also the first issue had an 18 page opening spread.

My hope is that based on this recommendation list one of these will be something that you enjoy. I try to give a breadth of genre to deconstruct one of the most common comics myths. Aka it has never been, and never will be, just superheroes. Any time you think that, remember Sunday comics, political cartoons, manga, and Archie. Reading broadly genre-wise in comics is also key to finding what you want to read in a particular moment. Sometimes a book doesn’t work for you, and that’s fine, but there’s lots to read comics-wise so I guarantee there’s something for you.

Sunday, May 7, 2017

My thoughts on two-bit Marvel Batman or wait…I mean Iron Fist

There are many ways to start this blog. I could relate it to my experiences growing up mixed race, I could start it talking about the tweet storm that descended every time I watched a minute of Iron Fist, and a million other ways that begin academically/professionally but end up a mire of foaming-at-the-mouth rage. But honestly, Danny’s not worth that sort of time or energy.

Those of you who read this (all four!) will probably recognize these ideas from previous tweets, Facebook posts, and angry/exasperated text messages but I’ve probably spent more time thinking about Danny Rand than the writers did so I thought I should have all of those ideas organized in one place. I will also try to refer to much smarter minds than myself for some of these issues because I am only one person and can’t think of all the ways this was entirely mediocre.

You may be thinking “Paulina, if you hated it so much, why did you finish it?” Well, person who questions my life choices, it started with a podcast I did with the awesome Daniel Kwan at the SAAs in Vancouver. We chatted about everything under the sun regarding diversity and being of Asian heritage, and at one point we started ripping into Iron Fist, which had just come out. Between the two of us, we had seen maybe an episode or two, but we had seen enough to joke about forcing ourselves to watch the whole thing then do another Podcast. I thought, hey sure, I’ll give it a chance even though there are tons of articles coming out about how boring it was etc. [All the hyperlinks]. I also had a morbid interest in actually seeing what was going on because I enjoy the Marvel cinematic/Netflix Universe and Colleen Wing seemed like such a boss.

So, post SAA, but before returning to school the BF and I put the first two episodes on and realized very quickly that there was no way in hell we could get ourselves to finish this on its own. So we decided, let’s pair this with Into the Badlands which we had both heard great things about. I put the first five minutes on and was like “This dude riding on this motorcycle is more interesting than that whole episode of Iron Fist”. From then on, we had a formula, two episodes of Iron Fist to one episode of Into the Badlands.

(NOTE: I would instead recommend just watching Into the Badlands and, if you really need to know, Googling a synopsis of Iron Fist and watching the fight with Lewis Tan. Then maybe re-watch the Defenders trailer to see how many times Jessica Jones sasses Danny because he deserves it.)

So what was so bad about it? Well, almost everything. The casting was unimpressive, the acting was bad, the fight scenes were boring, the overall plot was unclear, the writing was atrocious, and the show did nothing to improve the problematic origins of the character. I’ll try to address my critiques in that order, otherwise I’ll die of an aneurysm. However, honestly, they bleed and crisscross one another so it’s hard to say where one of these critiques ends and the next begins.

Casting: Danny Rand is white in the comics but he’s also supposed to be interesting and capable. For training so much as a monk, he is not that physically impressive and isn’t that good at martial arts. Marvel cannot tell me they could not find a decent-looking blonde, white actor who knew at least some Kung-Fu. There are tons of Caucasian dudes who do Kung-Fu, so, it’s absurd that they went with someone who so minimally fit the visual profile of Danny Rand.

The acting: So the writing is atrocious, which I’ll get to in a second, but Finn Jones doesn’t do much to convince me of anything. He looks like a petulant child when he’s angry, which is about 75% of the time. And his uncontrollable anger/anxiety does not do justice to those who experience such emotions. I’ve seen people go through such episodes and Finn acts them so badly they are borderline comedic, which is not what we want when right now we do so little to support people with mental health problems. Especially coming after Jessica Jones, which did such a great job with that, the poor acting surrounding such issues is truly infuriating.

The fight scenes: So there were a couple good ones, I will give them that. HOWEVER, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE IRON FIST IS MARTIAL ARTS MASTERY. Literally, he was created alongside characters like Shang-Chi, Colleen Wing, and Misty Knight as part of a growing line of martial arts heroes. So, his martial arts should be impeccable. Instead, there is a stiffness whenever Finn Jones executes moves that makes the divide when he fights professionals, like the fight with Lewis Tan, even larger. This makes his entire purpose (master of kung fu) unbelievable and his whole character come off as mediocre. Also, as he’s told us, like five million times, he has been training for 15 years doing Kung-Fu in a place surrounded by Kung-Fu masters who only doing Kung-Fu. Did I mention Kung Fu? (Or that you’d get more students if you taught Kung-Fu even though it’s clearly a Japanese constellation martial arts studio?) HE ALSO DEFEATED A REAL DRAGON TO GET HIS POWERS WITH HIS KUNG FU. Overall, the scenes feel slow when you can actually see people move or they’re cutting between shots so quickly you have no time to actually admire the fighting that’s going on. They also do “cool” but tricksy cinematic shots like stage fights at night or in dimly light areas, meaning they can hide what’s not going well in the fight. This became even more obnoxious when pairing the show with Into the Badlands, whose bread and butter is epic long-cut fight scenes. And to top it off, multiple times in the show he is on the precipice of LOSING, badly, to people who should not be close to his equal.

The overall plot: How did Danny get to New York without a passport or identification? How does he know how to drive an actual car? Why does he still speak American English? Why does he still act white in his physicality? Why was David Wenham’s character even there? What was the point of Davos coming back? What was the point of this season? What did we learn about who Danny is? What did we actually learn about his origin? WHAT IS HE EVEN FIGHTING FOR? Because honestly, I’m not sure and the overall plot seemed to want to be half introduce the Hand, while actually giving us no real information about the Hand except maybe hinting at Bad Davos, and half “PLEASE LIKE DANNY”. But what does Danny fight for? So far as I could tell, he felt like Marvel’s mediocre Batman. His parents are killed, he gets trained in the ways of an Eastern martial arts, comes back and then RETAKES THE COMPANY and gets vengeance?! It’s Batman Begins but boring and, sidenote, Finn Jones is not as hot as Christian Bale. ANYWAYS what is he fighting for? He has no real ties to New York beyond the five people he’s met and honestly being away from 15 years and growing up with monks would probably make places like New York and the whole American system feel extremely cruel. So why stay? And honestly, the way he interacts with his company in New York feels like the most white-people-problems shit I’ve ever seen, it’s like he’s still a child even though clearly Davos, who also is from K’un L’un, can act like an adult and still have a little bit of fish-out-of-water too. Also Thor was a fish-out-of-water and didn’t come across as an annoyingly naïve child.

The writing: “Worst Iron Fist ever.” “This means I have to kill him for you” “But I’m Danny Rand” “I’m Danny Rand” “I’M DANNY RAND” These are the lines I remember from this show. Particularly, because I laughed at all of them. The plot, as mentioned above, was confusing but so often the individual lines were just absurd. They were written stiff, acted stiffly, and did not convey anything that they should have. It’s like, did no one edit the scripts for these episodes? Because they were trash and it’s like, we really know you are Danny Rand, seriously, you can stop saying your name. It’s like he was some sort of Pokemon that got stuck only saying their own name for 13 episodes.

And lastly, but not leastly, the Problematic Origins of the Iron Fist:

Like most superheroes, beyond ye olde white-straight-cis-het-male-American heroes, the origins of Danny Rand and his whole schtick are problematic. Why? Well like Luke Cage and Shang-Chi, he was created at a point in time where comics were written by white-cis-het-male-Americans who had no idea about cultural appropriation and had yet to take the time to examine how their culture was inherently racist. So, these characters, while great for bringing “diversity” into comics, contain horrible stereotypes that modern writers have spent a lot of time fixing. Essentially, if you pick up any Luke Cage comics before 2000, though some may also take issue with the Max CAGE series, you will see a horribly stereotyped essentially racist portrayal of an African American man. The Netflix series dispels most of that, and created a well-rounded solid representation of an African American man, and modern African American culture, and engaged with how his power was a symbol for the ongoing conflict we have in this country between structural violence and the African American body.

Iron Fist? Yeah…No. Full disclosure, I haven’t read much Iron Fist. However, there are tons of articles out there by people who have but I’m going to give my two cents on some of the excuses I have heard about Iron Fist:

“But Danny is white in the comics!”

Yes and so were Elektra and Psylocke originally and they were be played by Asian heritage actors.

“His race doesn’t really matter!”

If his race doesn’t really matter why did you pick a white person? White is not the global average for generic! It’s white and has just as much racial baggage as any other choice. Especially when he had no martial arts background anyways!

“He was supposed to feel like the other”

Where? We don’t see his training in K’un L’un where he is supposedly an “outsider” (like being picked on by all the mean Asian boys) and clearly he was less of an outsider than he claimed if he had the same rights as everyone else at the monastery. Is he an outsider in New York? He sort of is, but that could be done with anyone because that’s personality and not physical perception. Also if it’s about feeling like the "other" any Asian American will tell you that no matter how similar you might look to others in Asia, they know when you aren’t a local. Also we’ve had the white-guy in Asia outsider story told like a Kajillion times before, this isn’t unique (See the Last Samurai).

“There are other Asian superheroes that Marvel can use”

Yes all five of them. There actually is a paucity of well-developed Asian-American heroes in the Marvel universe and they get whitewashed anyways (see: The Ancient One)! Seriously, if you read Totally Awesome Hulk #15 you’ll see almost all of the Asian American superheroes Marvel has on offer (sans X-men). Also, the three most well-known ones were created in the last five years and are ALL spin-offs/new mantel takers (Ms. Marvel, Totally Awesome Hulk, and Silk) so doing this to Iron Fist would not have been out of step with what Marvel is doing already. Additionally, the Iron Fist is a mantel, not a person, and they change all the time. There have been many Iron Fists, the series The Immortal Iron Fist talks about them, and Marvel is not married to its cannon (Psylocke literally spontaneously changes ethnicities in the comics at one point). There is no reason to preserve his ethnicity when it serves no purpose to the story, it embodies a type of cultural appropriation, and forwards the stereotype that Caucasians are better at being Asians than Asian people. Even better, they could have done a swap, like they did with Patsy Walker for Carol Danvers in Jessica Jones! Shang-Chi could have been originally named Danny Rand but given a new name by the monks or become the Iron Fist and blam, you make a fine swap/merge and the world keeps turning.

There are probably lots of other “but actuallys” or “what ifs” but overall Iron Fist wasn’t good and while it wouldn’t have fixed the other problems casting an Asian-heritage actor as Danny would have lessened a lot of the sting. By choosing to cast a Caucasian actor, they don’t acknowledge the orientalist origin of his character or adapt his story to fit modern relationships with Asian nations, heritage, and culture and they didn't use his own backstory to make up for the those problems. For example, they don't take the idea of being raised in another culture to their logical end. He didn't act like a monk in his physicality, he speaks English like they only spoke English in K'un L'un, and overall nothing about his character besides his fighting skills and him telling us he's been to K'un L'un point him being brought up in a completely different culture.

They didn't follow any of their own plot points to their logical conclusion and while they may still have not done that with an Asian American actor like Lewis Tan they would have at least helped rectify the appropriative origins of the character. Assuming they had actually cast Lewis Tan this blog would be like “At least the fight scenes were awesome and they followed through with a commitment to diversity” instead of “Why didn’t we burn this before it began?”

Friday, August 12, 2016

Captain Marvel: Excited for Brie Larson, Disappointed in Marvel

I want to preface this by saying I am very excited for Brie Larson. She is an amazing actor and is going to make amazing movies as Captain Marvel. She will be awesome and play the part well, inspiring young girls to follow their dreams and go higher, further, faster, and more. The problem I have with her casting is not anything that she could control. Who I’m disappointed in is Marvel Studios for not taking the chance to fight a very real and very simple problem in Hollywood, ageism.

This isn’t the first time this has happened and it won’t be the last but casting Captain Marvel as someone so young has character drawbacks and bothers me for some specific reasons. As a mixed race woman there were quite a few things I would never be. I would never be white, I would never be tall, and I would never be a natural blonde. These are three rather essential things for the Carol Danvers they are portraying in the Captain Marvel movie. However, one of the things that the comic book hero Carol Danvers had that I didn’t, but I could attain, was experience. Unlike teenage X-men or other young white woman superheroes, Carol Danvers was older and only became a superhero after she became a Major in the Air Force and had become the head editor at a magazine. She was a woman who had already had a full career, was starting a second and then picking up a third as a superhero.

That aspect of her character was something that someone who could not even come close to resembling Carol Danvers could identify with. By casting someone as young as Brie Larson, Marvel takes the one thing about that character almost any person could attain away from myself and many others who are looking for women heroes who are not crones, mothers, grandmothers, spinsters, immortal twenty-somethings, or girl geniuses but women who become extraordinary at any age.

Specific to the character of Carol Danvers, having cast a young actor there are three things that Marvel could do with her to deal with her youth, all of which are problematic:

Marvel writes her to be the youngest Major in US history

While this isn’t the worst choice, she would be referenced as some sort of wunderkind for quite a while in the series. Amazingly smart and able to be promoted so quickly, this choice would undercut Carol Danvers normalness. What I liked about Carol Danvers when I first read her character in Alias and then after reading the original Ms. Marvel series was that yes, she was an amazing super hero, but she was also a woman who liked to go shopping and wrote a book about her experience in the Air Force. She was already on her second career by the time she became a superhero and was leading an adult life that was not bound to her military service. Being the youngest major in history will not allow her to have that development and focus her life on her Air Force time rather than what she did afterwards.

Marvel takes away or changes her rank away from Major

So the character that Marvel is writing is Captain Marvel and not Ms. Marvel, although she is still, to my knowledge, portraying the woman Carol Danvers. If Marvel chooses to make her a Captain in the Air Force instead of a Major that’s fine. Brie Larson is old enough to be a Captain. However, by demoting her they are removing some of the agency and uniqueness from Carol. They would demote her for the sake of the movie, simplifying the moniker, and undercut the awesomeness as a character. She was also a high-ranking female officer that chose to step away from the game before coming a superhero. That’s awesome and they shouldn’t take that away from her because they chose to cast a younger actor.

Marvel writes her character to be between 30-40 anyways

Marvel doesn’t change anything about Carol and have Brie play a typically aged Major, as if Brie Larson is 35+. Inadvertently, or purposefully, Marvel supports the ageist practice having 20-year-olds play 40-year-olds showing women who are that age that they will never be young-looking enough. For younger woman, as we get through our twenties we’re supposed to have everything sorted out in our lives and be able to shoulder the world before 30. We’re supposed to be experts in anything we pick up by the time we are 24 and experienced aged professionals by 27. Then remain timeless in age until we reach 60 where we all become Meryl Streep.

BONUS PROBLEM: Keeping the current love interest

In the comics, Captain Marvel aka Carol Danvers current love interest is Colonel James Rhodes, currently played by Don Cheadle who was born in 1964. Brie Larson was born in 1989. He’s old enough to be her father but if they choose to play her as a 35+ woman she could be a perfectly fine love interest according to Hollywood logic.

The point here is that a lot of the things that make Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel cool involve her age-ency. AKA She had the time to develop skills at a regular pace. She wasn’t the best of the best before she became Captain Marvel, she grew into it after she had established a non-superhero life. I know Brie Larson can play that woman. But I also know that there were many other amazing actresses in their thirties would have done just as great of a job and Marvel could have done more to challenge ageist Hollywood casting practices.

Monday, March 28, 2016

The longest Easter Egg hunt, or why I always get excited when they mention Roxxon

While I’m currently living without my weekly dose of floppies, I keep up on Marvel (not much of a DC fan...yet?) through the shows and movies. Upon starting Season 2 of Daredevil last weekend, I was reminded about a very interesting company that continues to be name-dropped.Roxxon.

Why do I care about these hints at Roxxon? Well, it’s because it could set us up for one of the most controversial portions of the Marvel Universe. And that of course is, New Thor.

New Thor was controversial for a number of reasons, most of which are related to gender, something incorporated into the series, and the alteration of the name of Thor from name to title. This is not an unheard of practice and technically the inscription on the hammer always states that the wielder of Mjolnir held the power of Thor, not necessarily that the person who held it was named Thor. The hammer had been wielded by others in the past but in contrast the Marvel-Now Thor has separate Thor and Odinson who, while at first upset that someone else could wield his hammer, has quietly fallen into a nice supporting character while he deals with the issues of what has made him unworthy. And so far (although I’m not fully caught up) it looks like this is a pretty permanent switch.

So Thor and Roxxon, how are they related? Well the first major villain that Thor battles is a Roxxon affiliate. For those of us trying to figure out the identity of Thor this seemed to point to Agent Roz Solomon, the Odinson’s new love interest. Regardless of who Thor now is, if you haven’t read the comics yet, the mention of Roxxon in the Marvel Cinematic Universe by name has important meaning for what Marvel Studios could be planning for the future.

With the success of comics like Ms. Marvel and other lady-led titles, Thor included, fans are hungering for a female-led Marvel movie but sadly, the first one isn’t slated until 2018. While this is still a few years off, it is likely that Marvel is planning on making more woman-led movies and in my opinion Thor would be a damned fine choice. She has an established world, would require minimal “origin” story, and it would be easy for Thor: Ragnarok to contain events that somehow makes the Odinson unworthy. Because of this, every time I hear the name Roxxon or catch it attached to some object, I wonder if that’s a breadcrumb towards a Thor movie with a different Thor. Specifically, Agent Carter and Daredevil have both begun digging into the nature of the company and based on what we’ve seen so far it wouldn’t be improbable for them to expand their range to working with materials from another world.

While it’s far-fetched and Thor isn’t the most well-known of Marvel’s woman Super Heroes, I think they are setting themselves up for a very long hunt that could end with an amazing and new person picking up Mjolnir.

Tuesday, March 8, 2016

Reading in the “Wrong” Order: Reading Marvel now before reading Marvel then

I’ve mentioned in other posts that I started collecting and actively reading brand-new comics in 2013. Honestly, it was a great time for me do it. I needed a hobby in the new place I was living and it got me out of the house at least once a week. And of course the comics that were produced then, and now, continue to get better and better IMO. But I’m not the “classic” fanbase that someone, we don’t know who in the comics industry, is trying to pander to. Instead, I’m part of the “new” “wave” of “evil” “millennials” “who” “knows” “nothing” “about” “comics”. Yes because I need a different gender, race, and age to understand, appreciate, and interpret good storytelling and art. It’s not like those are subjective, things that change as you age, or are part of the basic enculturation of all people in the world. But I digress, as the Lady Swift would say “Haters gonna hate.”

Collecting late led me to a few interesting things. The main one, like the Star Trek new movie series, is that it convinced me that there was something worthwhile in the older versions of these stories. They weren’t just campy stories with too many words per panel that gatekeepers thought were some sort of glorious nerd bible.

The main series that convinced me to go back and read the older versions were Kelly Sue DeConnick’s run on Captain Marvel and Charles Soule’s run on She-Hulk, which will be the foci for the rest of this post. Both comics were re-launched as part of Marvel Now, although the redesign for and run of Captain Marvel began slightly before they started using that term; and brought characters first created in the late 1970s into the ‘Now’.

Both were fantastic. The characters were flawed and centered on women with real responsibilities and problems, minus the saving-the-world-from-pending-doom part. DeConnick and Soule crafted these books with the care that I wanted from comics and their great stories were integrated with art by Emma Rios and Javier Pulido that captured the awe and draw of each character. Art is a large portion of the comics game and everyone judges books by their covers so having the amazing writing of DeConnick and Soule accompanied by such imaginative styles was truly exceptional.

Once I finished each series, or I should say in the case of She-Hulk the series finished on me, I went in search of more to learn about the development of these characters. With Captain Marvel, I went back to the source of Carol Danvers, Ms. Marvel, by reading the Essential Ms. Marvel. With She-Hulk I picked up the, She-Hulk: The Complete Collection Vol. 1 by Dan Slott. I expected both to be a bit problematic, because I was reading in the age of Social Justice Warrior comics obviously, but I was surprised by which was more problematic.

The original Ms. Marvel run went from 1977 through 1979 and the Essential volume covered issues 1-23 of the original series and Marvel Super-Heroes Magazine #10-11. While campy, with questionable costuming, Carol Danvers of the 1970s was an interesting and likeable character. In certain ways, I enjoyed this Ms. Marvel more than the modern Carol Danvers. She was more brains than brawn, something I could relate to being a petite woman getting a graduate degree. She was also unapologetically feminist arguing for more pay, editing a magazine for women but not necessarily about “women’s” things, and living on her own without a significant other. Cool and interesting in its historical context, cool and interesting today. There are problems with the way she speaks and some of her actions, which can be read as third-wave feminist but can also be read as stereotyping women’s behavior. Regardless, she was a great start to the character and I hope they blend this origin with the modern Carol Danvers when the write the script for Captain Marvel.

The Dan Slott She-Hulk: The Complete Collection Vol. 1 covers issues 1-12 from the 2004 series and 1-5 from the 2005 series and my review is less favorable for this set of comics. Although written in a more modern era, this run of She-Hulk didn’t impress me with it’s “progress”. Not that all comics need to be progressive, but Dan Slott made me disappointed with the use of She-Hulk in comics especially when this is the series many Amazon Reviewers use to compare to the work of Soule. The art is good enough, though more similar to stereotypical comics art, and Slott’s Jennifer Walters comes off as lazy and almost incapable in her practice as a lawyer. The use of the law in it is loose and the meta use of comics in the firm comes off as campy and pandering to older audiences. Seriously, do you really think in world were superheroes exist comics books could be used as legal precedent? Additionally, Jennifer seems to have lost any sense of gravity or depth, she hooks up with random guys (not a problem) but then always feels bad about it, an annoying trope for female sexuality. There are some good moments in the comic and some solid characters but it didn’t come off as particularly heartfelt or interesting and it definitely made me appreciate Soule and Pulido’s run on the comics even more. (Where the law is based on real law and She-Hulk is actually Hulky)

So what is the problem with reading Now before Then, in the “wrong order”? Nothing, inherently. Good stories and art are, at least hypothetically, timeless. For me it was the unintentional expectations that I put on these stories. It’s hard not to assume that something written in the 1970s will necessarily be bad, sexist, and trope-y or at least more so than stuff written in the last 15 years. But clearly, that wasn’t the case. These examples demonstrated to me that progress isn’t a one way street and it was a reminder that realistic and important portrayals of women and other minority characters have happened in the past.

Furthermore, what’s important about supporting such stories now, and reading and promoting those that did that in the past, is the real fear that comics, and other media, will falter and fall again on stereotypes rather than keeping us moving forward. Supporting books like She-Hulk and Captain Marvel that are able to highlight a character’s regular and super strengths help to keep us moving forward but we also need to be aware that they aren’t the first to make steps in the right direction and that once is not enough. Progress is a constant struggle and requires readers and creators to be aware of the fight.